Conversation with a Christian Coworker

So I am in a conversation with a Christian coworker which begins with the subject on predestination. He said he does not believe in it, but he believes that everyone has a freewill.(We agree) Then, of course, he goes on to tell me “I DONT BELIEVE IN THE LAYING ON OF HANDS HEALING” He tells me that he also believes that speaking in tongues was left with the Apostles. Then he said “I DONT BELIEVE IN FAITH HEALING” And then I told him that I disagreed with him. So I gave him the Scripture about the woman with the blood issue and how Jesus said “woman YOUR FAITH has made you well” … So we go back and forth for awhile AND THEN he tells me a story. He goes on to tell me that he and a few coworkers used to go up to this certain person on the golf coarse and play a trick on him. Each person would take turns and go up to the guy and tell him he didn’t look well even though he looked healthy. They would each ask him if he was feeling ok because he looked sick. So by lunch they were laughing because this guy would go home sick.

ARE YOU CATCHING MY DRIFT HERE?

So you don’t believe in faith healing, but you believe in faith sick? You believe that if you tell a person enough that they’re sick even though they really are not, then they get sick. WHAT ABOUT VICE VERSA?

Let me get this straight- “I don’t believe in faith healing” BUT “I do believe in faith sick” … I believe that I can constantly tell someone that they look and feel sick even though they aren’t and then THEY ACTUALLY BECOME SICK!……but You can’t go up to a person and tell them that Jesus has ALREADY HEALED YOU and then they get well if they believe it????

Just an interesting conversation I thought I would share 😉

I’m believing in what Jesus said ALREADY HEALED..because of my faith IM HEALED

Your imagination (faith) can become a reality…it works both ways HEALED OR SICK!

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6 thoughts on “Conversation with a Christian Coworker

  1. Clint, what does the Bible say about predestination and free will? I will share my thoughts when I get some time, but wanted to get your thoughts?

  2. Right off the bat, I dont believe God predestines anyone to hell. We all have the choice to enter into His rest. We can choose the tree of life which is total protection (Ps 91) in this life or we can choose from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. I believe some Christians choose both trees which is lukewarmness or mixing the law with grace and these Christians do not have God’s full hedge of protection

    • As it relates to predestination and election, what are your thoughts on Romans 8 and Ephesians 1? Concerning free will, it is clear in the Bible that demonstrates a personal responsibility to our sin (Romans 14:12, Hebrews 4:13) and a choice for salvation (John 3:16 was a good example of that). It seems clear that there is both predestination and free will outlined in the Bible. There are also passages (John 6:44, Acts 13:48, Romans 8:33) that throw a wrench in the understanding of free will. It is a difficult subject, but looking at all passages concerning both aspects of salvation there are parts of this that may never be understood fully. We still have a responsibility to preach the gospel and to love one another. Whether free will, predestination, or a mix of both are the truth, it does not change the call to believers that God has placed on our lives (Matthew 28:19, Mark 16:15-16).

      Romans 8:28-30
      28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. 29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

      Ephesians 1:3-6
      3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love 5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.

      • The Lamb slain before the foundation of the world tells me that God has always loved ALL people before man was created. When they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, the fruit was laced with poison which led all people to believe that God was both good and evil. Moses struck the rock in anger which portrayed an angry God towards His people. That is why Jesus came to reveal God was never angry and accepts All His children. I believe we all at some point have to accept our acceptance in this life or go to hell. I don’t believe God sends people to hell and I don’t believe it is eternal fire. It is an age-during fire ( Matthew25 -Youngs Literal) and eventually ALL will bow the knee and confess Jesus is Lord in heaven on earth and under the earth (hell). Heaven isn’t complete until hell is emptied. God saves ALL CREATED BEINGS. Revelation 5:9-14

        I believe that God has predestined EVERYONE to conform to the image of Jesus! I know that people can get confused and interpret things wrong in the bible INCLUDING ME, but it is a MUST MUST MUST we keep JESUS CHRIST the center focus when reading Scripture. Jesus is the key that unlocks the mysteries in Scripture!….

        Hey Khris, thanks for reading and (trying) to understand my thoughts.. I hope you and your family have a good Christmas 😉

      • Here are some passages that show Paul and other Biblical writers frequently discussed eventual salvation for ALL mankind:

        “This is good and acceptable in the sight of our God our saviour; Who will have ALL men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus: Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.” (1 Tim. 2:3-6, KJV)

        “This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, Who is the Savior of ALL MEN, especially of those who believe. These things command and teach.” (1 Tim. 4:9-11– the word “especially” here in the Greek means “to the greatest degree”, the point being that there are lesser degrees of salvation such as described in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15).

        Jesus came “that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times he might gather together in one ALL THINGS in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth in Him. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works ALL THINGS according to the counsel of His will.” (Eph. 1:10, 11)

        “At the name of Jesus EVERY knee should bow, of those in heaven, and those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that EVERY tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.” (Phil. 2:10:11)

        In Jesus Christ is “the restoration of ALL THINGS, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.” (Acts 3:21)

        “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw (drag in the Greek, helkuo) ALL MANKIND unto Myself.” (John 12:32)

        “EVERY CREATURE which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying: blessing and honor and glory and power be to Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, forever and ever.” (Rev. 5:13)

        Jesus is “the Christ, the Savior of the world.” (John 4:42)

        Jesus “is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the WHOLE world.” (1 John 2:2)

        Jesus “did not come to judge the world but to save the WORLD.” (John 12:47)

        “Jesus, was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for EVERYONE.” (Heb. 2:9)

        “Love NEVER fails.” (1 Cor. 13:8)

        This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance. For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, Who is the Savior of ALL MEN, especially of those who believe. These things command and teach.” (1 Tim. 4:9-11)

        “God was pleased to have all fullness dwell in Him, and through Him to reconcile to Himself ALL THINGS on earth or in heaven, by making peace through His blood, shed on the cross. Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in His sight, without blemish and free from accusation.” (Col. 1:19, 21, 22)

        The Father “has given ALL THINGS into Jesus’ hands.” (John 13:3)

        Jesus “was the true light which gives light to EVERY MAN who come into the world.” (John 1:9)

        “Just as the result of one trespass was condemnation of ALL MEN, so also the result of one act of righteousness was justification that brings life for ALL MEN.” (Rom. 5:18)

        Jesus is “able even to subdue ALL THINGS to Himself.” (Phil. 3:21)

        “The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering towards us, NOT WILLING that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance.” (2 Peter 3:9)

        “God was Christ reconciling THE WORLD to Himself in Christ, not counting men’s sins against them. And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation. We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors as though God were making His appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: be reconciled to God.” (2 Cor. 5:19, 20)

        The Gospel is “good tidings of great joy will be to ALL people.” (Luke 2:10)

        Believers in Christ are “born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” (John 1:13)

        God appointed Jesus “heir of ALL THINGS, and through whom He made the universe.” (Heb. 1:2)

        “As God gave Jesus authority over ALL FLESH, that he should give eternal life to as many as God has given Him.” (John 17:2)

        “And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw (drag in the Greek, helkuo) ALL MANKIND unto Myself.” (John 12:32)

        “Creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope, because creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.” (Rom. 8:20, 21)

        “The Father loves the Son and has given ALL THINGS into His hands.” (John 3:35)

        “Since by man came death, by man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam ALL died, even so in Christ ALL shall be made alive.” (1 Cor. 15:22)

        Jesus “is the image of the invisible God, the first born over ALL CREATION. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominions, or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.” (Co. 1:15, 16)

        “ALL shall know the Lord, from the least of them to the greatest of them.” (Heb. 8:11)

        “If anyone’s work which he has built endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved yet so as through fire.” (1 Cor. 3:14, 15)

        “Of Him and through Him and to Him are ALL THINGS, to whom be glory forever. Amen” (Rom. 11:36)

        “ALL Israel will be saved.” (Rom. 11:26)

        “Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for ALL, and therefore all died.” (2 Cor. 5:14)

        “The head of EVERY man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.” (1 Cor. 11:3)

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