What About Job – Part 2

 

We have to quit basing our theology on “when bad things happen” that God gives and takes away. God gives blessings and the devil takes away. Jesus has revealed this to us in the New Testament.

Just because the bible says that [Job said] “the Lord gives and takes away” DOES NOT MEAN that the Lord gives and takes away! Especially since Job admitted in the end that he did not know what he was talking about the things of God. He was saying things about God that he didn’t understand. Job admitted he was wrong about God in the end. Especially NOW that we have Jesus who has revealed the TRUE NATURE of God. Jesus said in John 10:10 that the devils purpose is to STEAL KILL and DESTROY you. Jesus came to give us life and life more abundantly. Did Jesus ever say the Lord gives and takes away? NO! Jesus said God gives and satan takes away! John 10:10

God does NOT even ALLOW evil. Fear is clearly what Job allowed in his heart which caused satan to attack him and his family. 1 John 4:18 says that there is NO FEAR in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear INVOLVES TORMENT. Torment does not come from God. If you and your child were out on the streets, would you ALLOW someone to come along and rape or murder or torment your child? NO way! Yet, many today are saying that God allows evil. Jesus came to reveal the truth about God. That’s the whole Gospel message – the Good God that has NO EVIL in HIM whatsoever! As 1 John 1:5 puts it – this is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, THAT GOD IS LIGHT AND THERE IS NO DARKNESS IN HIM AT ALL. The devil is not God’s messenger boy or the evil spirit that takes care of God’s dirty work for Him. I heard someone say that the devil can’t do anything unless he has God’s permission. I believe this is wrong. You might as well just say God does terrible thing to people. We must stop basing our view of how God does things from the first part of the book of Job, but look to the end of Job. Job said he was wrong about God. Elihu said God does not afflict (Job 37:23 KJV). However, we must REALIZE that God is absolutely GOOD and there is NO BAD in Him whatsoever!

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5 thoughts on “What About Job – Part 2

  1. Clint, you say that “God does NOT even ALLOW evil.” Can you explain what you mean there? How is sin rampant in the world if God is not allowing Satan to influence those on the earth? God, being all powerful, created the heavens and the earth, angels, and man. How could any created being do anything that the creator does not allow? What power does the devil have that God has not given to him? God is perfect, absolutely good, and there is no evil in him, but what would be the need for the sacrifice of Jesus if God did not allow (not carry out) choice (either good or evil)? God (all powerful) could just keep evil from occurring, and we would all still be living in the garden of Eden. Did not God grant Adam and Eve the choice to choose between good and evil? Without giving them a choice, Adam and Eve, and the rest of creation, would simply be puppets. What is a follower if it has no choice?

    • Hey Khris,
      Those are very good questions. It is my belief that God does not allow evil because it is not in His nature. I know this is a tough concept to grasp, but with the help of the Holy Spirit, I believe that God DISALLOWS evil. Man is the one who allows evil to come in and give power to satan. Back when 9/11 happened, Billy Graham came out and said that God has never given him an answer to his question “why does God allow evil?” I believe this is the most dangerous question anyone can ask. Yes Billy Graham is a good Christian man, but I believe he will never receive an answer to that question. Because it automatically blame shifts Him as being the one allowing evil. Kind of like Adam and Eve did in the garden. Now, the question “does God allow evil” is a better question. And the answer is no. Yes God allows us the freedom of choice. I believe that God DOES NOT give satan any power at all, but it is our bad choices that gives him power. The devil is the one who has the power of death not God. In James 1:13-14, it says “let NO MAN SAY when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God” for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. But each person is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.” Also Isaiah 5:20 says “woe to those who call evil good and good evil; who put darkness for light and light for darkness.” The Apostle John had it right when he said “this is the message that we have heard from Him that in Him there is NO DARKNESS whatsoever in God at all. Jesus clearly distinguished the difference between God and the devil in John 10:10. I believe there is a poison going around in the church today. Take for instance Rick Warren and his book Purpose Driven Life. Rick Warren is a nice man, but I believe his theology is wrong. I don’t believe everything that happens in life is God’s will. I don’t believe that God puts us through tests, trials, or tribulations to make us a better person. I don’t believe that God puts suffering or pain on us either. Thank God Jesus took on all these things FOR US! I noticed something very scary the other day when I heard the interview with Rick Warren on CNN. Talking about his son that killed himself he said “the day that I had feared might happen one day, since he had been born, and the day that I had prayed would never happen, happened!” Wow! He quoted Job 3:25. I don’t know if he did this on purpose or not, but I do know this one thing that FEAR AS OUR MOTIVE NEVER ACTIVATES DIVINE PROTECTION.

      I hope this answers some of your questions. I don’t claim to know all the answers, but I know God does and He will provide them in the Spirit. Unless of course they are tricky questions like “why does God allow evil?” 🙂

      Don’t forget we are – Able ministers of the NEW COVENANT, not of the letter BUT OF THE SPIRIT; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 2 Corinthians 3:5

      God is Good and the devil is bad!

  2. I think we both agree that God is good and the devil is bad! 🙂 The question to me is, from whom does satan and man receive power? If God is all powerful, and he created the universe and all that is in it, then he has complete control over what goes on inside of the universe. If a created being inside of the universe has power, doesn’t that power have to come from the all powerful creator? Where else would power come from if it isn’t coming from the source? Also, I would not think that we can give power to satan. Satan has the power to tempt us (granted to him by God for a time, but will be taken away, Rev. 20:3), but God has given us the power to overcome that temptation, and if we fall to temptation, we are not giving power to satan, we are denying God’s power given to us.

    Good talking to you. Since we don’t have electricity, my replies will be several days between each one. Good talking to you!

    • Hey Khris,
      Yea it’s getting deep now. I would agree with you that we sometimes deny God’s power that He has given to us. God tells us that “greater is He that is in us, than he that is in the world” that means we are more powerful than the devil. But, I would have to disagree with you when you say that we do not give power to satan. Because in the Garden of Eden God created everything good. He even created Lucifer which was good until iniquity was found in him. I’m really not sure at what point or where evil came from in satan, but I do believe that the power of death was given to satan when Adam and Eve disobeyed God. However, I think when any tough question comes up, we must look at Jesus. There was no sickness/disease in Him, no wrath in Him, no sin in Him, and no evil in Him. I also don’t agree that the devil has to get God’s permission before he can do anything. This type of Theology comes from the book of Job and I believe that the Old Testament writers did not have a clear picture of how God operated. John said in John 1:18 that No ONE has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him. And in John 5:37 Jesus said “And the Father Himself, who sent Me (Jesus), has testified of Me. You have never heard His voice at any time, nor have you seen His (God’s) form.” Meaning that NO ONE has seen God’s true nature until Jesus came and revealed Him to them. Take for instance 2 Sam 24:1 and 1 Chr. 21:1. 2 Samuel 24:1 says that the anger of the Lord rose against Israel and He moved David to count them, but in 1 Chronicles 21:1 says that satan rose against Israel and moved David to count them. So which one was it, was it God or was it satan? The writers did not have a clear picture, yet they thought that God was the one doing evil or that satan is doing God’s dirty work for Him. Jesus has come and declared God’s true nature to us today. Any time that we read the OT, we must read it by what Jesus has revealed to us. That God is not the thief that steals kills and destroys, but God is the one that delivers us FROM EVIL! This is why I do not believe that God gives satan the power to do evil. There is Divine protection from satan and his power, but this Divine protection is diminished by: sin, unbelief, fear, and most important – BELIEVING THAT GOD ALLOWS, CREATES, OR CAUSES EVIL! …..It’s just not in His nature
      Thanks Khris for taking the time to respond. I love deep discussions like this. I hope your electricity comes back on soon. Talk to ya later.

    • My wise wife says that God gave all angels power and Lucifer chose to use his for evil 🙂

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